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    November 28

    Some ideas on Ph.D

    在Department of CS, Carnegie Mellon University(计算机全美第一)的网站上随便看了些某个教授写的很正式的关于CMU 读Ph.D的信息
    加上最近四个月来与同屋的四个国大Ph.D的交流和跟纪的讨论
    越来越开始觉得,我们的确不百分百适合去读Ph.D
    至少那种生活不是我一直以来要追求的
    尽管只要我愿意,可以很轻松地继续Ph.D之路
    但现在则要重新考虑到底值不值得按照大部分人出国读书的人那样走下去
    AND
    有没有更好的选择
     
    如果按照常规路线走下去,几个冰冷却需要正视的事实
     
    1.去美国读Ph.D平均需要六年,机会成本巨大
       当六年结束的时候, 年轻如我们者(没有耽误时间,本科后立即去读Ph.D)也已经27岁
       而同屋的Ph.D们最大的毕业要30岁,最小的也要27岁才能毕业,前提是如果能毕业的话(很可能拿不到学位)
     
    2. 拿不到学位的风险存在 At most schools, only 1/2 of the students who enter the Ph.D leave with a PH.D degree
        当然我相信自己如果去肯定没问题,但是...
     
    3.所需要付出的艰难困苦
    You need to be someone who is obsessed with figuring out a problem. You need to have tremendous perseverence and be capable of
    hard work. You need to be willing to do whatever it takes to solve your problem (e.g., take 5 mathclasses,learn a whole new area like databases,rewrite the whole kernel, etc.)
    同屋的四个Ph.D,每天工作12个小时,
    早上九点前出门
    晚上九点回来
    周末通常也在实验室
    压力巨大
    一年总共20几天假期,回趟国就再没机会有长假
     
    4.读完之后几种选择:
     
    学术:
    If you choose to be a professor at a research university, your life will consist of the following tasks:
        (i) doing research on anything you like,
        (ii) working with graduate students,
        (iii) teaching classes,
        (iv) applying for grants,
        (v) flying around to work with other researchers and to give talks on your research,
        (vi)doing service for your department and school(like giving this talk).
    研究工作:
    If you choose to go to a research lab, your job will consist of the following:
        (i) doing research (half will be on whatever you want, half will be on whatever the company wants you to do),
        (ii) working with other people in the company,
        (iii)traveling around a little to give talks and work with others
    显然,这都不是自己想要的
     
    5.诚然,留学Ph.D在我心中一直褒有完善人生之名,至今依旧,是多少年来人生一大目标,尽管有盲目成分,但至少到目前为止没有坏处
       只是,现在看来,有违我博学之另一终级目标
       看看教授对Ph.D目标的看法:
       At the end of the Ph.D. you will be the world expert or close to it in your particular area. You will know more than your advisor about your particular research area. You will know about your research than anyone at your school. By one we mean that by the last
    couple years of your Ph.D., you will typically be working on only one narrow problem. The Ph.D. is not about breadth,it is about depth
     
    讲的很明白 The Ph.D. is not about breadth,it is about depth
    只局限于一个领域显然更不是我的目标
    更长远来讲,这样的生活并不会推进自己其他更久远目标的实现,比如环球旅行,比如对国家社会家庭贡献
     
     
     
    6. 本学期四个月的苦读只让自己更加疑惑我们大部分中国学生的盲目学习精神
    中国学生基础好,勤奋又刻苦,成绩总是学校里最好的
    但等将来出来工作了,疑惑同样去读Ph.D, 本科期间高达5的CPA真的有用么?就能好过那些大学期间成绩被压在脚底的新加坡人?
    不见得
     
    7.这里录取的Ph.D大部分是中国学生,既有在这里读本科的,也有国内读完过来的
    我的命题是,这些读Ph.D的人,有多少是真正处于独立意志,研究精神而来读的,而不是随大流 or 混学位 or 本科毕业找不到好工作 or 除了学习已经不会做别的 而来读的
    第一,这里用“读”这个字来修饰Ph.D仍然是极为不恰当的,Ph.D是来做研究的,岂是来读书的?
    第二,很多人仅仅迫于生计而努力来做研究,天天呆在实验室,目的不是以自己兴趣来搞可能穷尽一生的研究,他们不过是在完成实验,完成老板分配的工作,来心安理得的拿到每个月2000新币的工资
    而这个工资,只是大部分新加坡本国本科生的工作起薪
    同样以同屋Ph.D的生活为例,至少在我看来,他们并不具备真正的research spirit和personality。
     
    7.他们的生活
    将近30岁的人,自己连个组成家庭的影子都找不到,
    仍然要合租在便宜的公寓里
    更不用谈自己手中的那一点点不过5位数的钱
    论眼界、工作、交际、团队合作,则更不必说了吧,从出生到现在,中国式地在学校待了30年,很难再期待些什么
    问题是如果自己那样去读博,估计也很难摆脱同样的命运
    想想三十岁的时候连跟喜欢的人在一起的时间都没有,仍然没有能力给她女人应得的幸福,是件多么尴尬无奈不如死了算了的事情
    更不用说如果像同屋的这位马上30岁的大哥现在连女友的影子都找不到的说
     
     
    因此,基于以上几点,必须重新评估未来之路
    而不是继续盲目随大流,耗费六年在美国,即便是Top10也不过是虚名而已
     
    君不见新东方教英语和教大家如何出国的老师,都是美国名校出来的Ph.D,这么好的牌子,为什么不去干大事而要来教英语?
    以前曾经无比羡慕那些新东方的老师,拿的都是美国名校博士学位,又能向这么多莘莘学子来传授心得受大家崇拜
    现在想想才觉得,他们才是天底下最可悲的人
    花了30年的时间从小读书,怀着美国梦一路拼杀美国,拿到名校的博士学位
    最后却发现不能/不愿学以致用,不去从事搞了30年相关的事业
    却去新东方教书,怂恿更多的学生盲目地走他们的老路
     
    尽管从社会的角度来讲,整体教育水平的提高会提高整个社会的素质,从而最终提高社会质量
    但是问题是,如果培养大批畸形出来,又何谈提高教育水平?
    继续深入下去又要开始抨击中国基础教育的功利性了,所以在此打住
     
     
    前段时间问同屋读life science的马上要毕业的Ph.D毕业后要干什么
    他说要回国考公务员,而且后悔当初来读书
    刚开始仍然极为不解,现在开始渐渐明白其中的道理
     
    开始庆幸没有按照大一大二的老路继续一路GT不假思索地走下去,
    然后茫然地开始并不属于自己所谓学术之路,从此一生不能自拔
     
    人要正视自己
     
    凡事不破不立,
    但仍要坚持的几点
    1.“读万卷书,行万里路”仍是奉行一生之原则
    2.赴美读博的老路或曰常规路线不可走
    3.必有新路可辟,与个性、大部分终极目标并行不悖之新路
    4.这世界乃是精英统治的世界,不成为精英,就被精英统治
     
    November 25

    Part I

     An Analysis of the Recent Phenomenal Growth of the IT Sector in India 

     

    I. Introduction

     

    In 1993, Nidumolu and Goodman wrote an article, describing India, at that time, as an Asian elephant learning to dance in the IT industry 1. But after only 13 years, maybe surprising to many people, the elephant has become a noticeable giant in this field.

     

    The whole 1990s saw a great expansion of the India software sector at an average annual rate of over 40%. In 2005, the Indian IT – ITES industry continued to chart significant double-digit growth and is expected to exceed $36 billion in annual revenue in year 05-06, at a growth rate of nearly 28%.2

     

    Today, India exports software and services to nearly 95 countries around the world. Exports in this field have become the dominate sector among India’s export industries. Total IT- ITES exports grew to $18.2 billion in year 04-05 and it is estimated that it will exceed $23.9 billion in year 05-06 2. This partly, has made India’s foreign stock of exchange earnings amongst the highest in the world, $139 billion in January 2006.

     

    Meanwhile, China, often refereed to as the awakening dragon, has successfully become the world factory since 1978. In IT, after the shift of IT manufacturing from Taiwan to South China and the growth of a semi-conductor manufacturing center around Shanghai, China has evolved a manufacturing-based development pattern and now owns a most dynamic and powerful IT manufacturing sector. But when it comes to software industry, it is still infant and underdeveloped, with quite low exports sales. Thus there is still quite a long way for China’s software industry to go.

     

    For me, being a future Chinese IT professional and more importantly, an ambitious potential Chinese IT leader in the near future, I feel great responsibility to examine the factors which promoted Indian software industry’s striking growth during the past decades and to find a way for the counterpart in China to catch up with India, based on the advantages we have already gained in manufacturing, in the coming 10 to 20 years. But due to the length limit of this paper, I will only cover the analysis of the development of India software sector and the challenges it faces.

     

    II. Global Software Market and Recent Trends

     

    From the perspective of demanding, the past three decades have seen a fierce growth of software and software service demanding all around the world. Annual growth in global software industry has been above 15% since the early 1990s and remains on a rising trend 3.

     

    In recent years, the growing market opportunity in Offshore Product Development (OPD) services becomes substantial and currently 84 percent of companies worldwide are dependent on off shoring. Although India only entered the outsourcing market after 1999, it is now viewed as the most ideal BPO destination in the world and commands 83 percent market share in OPD 4. “India’s massive potential in the OPD space is attributed to the best mix of elements it offers to software companies in terms of skill-sets, return on investments, product quality and flexibility,” says Anand Deshpande, Chairman and Managing Director, Persistent Systems, a leading player in the OPD space 5. In the long run, outsourcing will continue to be a primary growth engine for software industry with further globalization.

     

    III. IT Superpower, How and Why India

     

    India software industry nowadays is widely acknowledged not only by its low cost which is becoming diminishing, but also, more importantly, by its high quality and flexibility. A McKinsey study comparing India with its various competitors indicated that India keeps ahead in terms high quality and low cost. Countries like Israel and Singapore are in high quality as well as in high cost while countries like China and Hungary are low in quality and low in cost too 6.

    In reality, India software industry has successfully exploited the innovative global software market. In this part, I will examine the main factors which were important in booming India’s software industry as well as significant for future development.

     

    1.      Government role and policy

     

    The Government of India is committed to making India a global IT superpower and a front-runner in the age of the information revolution.

     

    As part of the reform, Indian Government has taken steps to promote IT sectors ever since late 1980s with the focus on software development for export. In 1988 it announced the World Market Policy and the establishment of the Software Technology Parks of India (STP) scheme.

     

    In May 1998, the Prime Minister of India formed a National Taskforce on Information Technology and Software Development to make India an IT superpower and one of the largest generators and exporters of software in the world within ten years 7.

     

    In addition, the IT Act of 2000 which was based on the recommendation of the National IT Taskforce, aimed to set the overall strategy for the IT sector, and to provide a legal framework for the recognition of electronic contracts, prevention of computer crimes, electronic filing of documents, etc.8.

     

    In the state level, during the last few years, 18 state governments have announced IT policies. These policies focus on the key issues of infrastructure, e-governance, IT education and providing a facilitating environment for increasing IT proliferation in the respective states. 9

     

    However, even until 2000, India Government’s policy provides widely protection from transnational corporations and startups which restricted the growth of project management and domain skills. Ironically, as pointed out by Rafiq Dossani, a senior research scholar in Stanford University, the policy actually disfavored all types of firms but was least hostile to large, domestic firms. 10 I found this conclusion provided by Rafiq quite powerful in explaining why large domestic firms dominate the whole industry, at least at its early phase.

     

    But it is still widely believed that India Government has identified and tried to harness the resources to encourage the industry.

     

    2.      Human Resource and Education

     

    India has the second largest population of the world and is home to a vast pool of talent comprising educated, English speaking, and computer professionals.

     

    The country’s education system emphasizes a lot on mathematics and science which is beneficial to provide large number of science and engineering graduates to meet the requirement of international IT demand. Every year, approximately 19 million students are enrolled in high schools and 9.1 million students are enrolled for tertiary education. Moreover, 2.1 million graduates and 0.3 million postgraduates pass out of India’s non-engineering colleges. And it is estimated that, at current rates, there will approximately be 17 million people available to the IT industry by 2008 and till then IT sector is expected to be the India's largest employer, only following agriculture. 11

     

    Huge talent pool and low price index lead to low wages. The average salary for an Indian IT professional is somewhere around only one fourth of his fellow’s wage in the U.S, and a little lower than the ones in China. What’s more, Indian programmers are widely acknowledged for their strong technical skills and eagerness to satisfy clients’ requirements.

     

    However, the huge human pool analyzed above are only responsible for the design, coding and implementing as well as testing, which are actually low in the value chain of the development of software. The most competitive part of today’s India is the qualified managing personnel and business expertise that now exists in the industry. With the experience dealing with clients all over the globe, many managers have developed good understanding of business practices in this domain and have acquired knowledge of the cultural context of the customer. These are essential for moving from low technical services to higher level.

     

    In conclusion, it is true that China is ahead in terms of, say, physical infrastructure, but India has succeeded in creating its huge intellectual infrastructure which is the most precious and difficult to replicate.

     

    3Software Technology Parks of India (STPI), Cluster Effect

     

    Software Technology Parks of India is a government agency, established and registered as an Autonomous Society under the Department of Information Technology in 1991. 12 Its objective is to implement STP Scheme, and to provide and manage infrastructure facilities and services. It is described explicitly that the main thrust of STPI is to create a state-of-the-art infrastructure for providing a wide variety of value-added services that are needed for software development and export operations.

     

    Poor infrastructure is quite an old topic when talking about investment in India. However it is not quite an obstacle when it comes to software industry.

     

    As the core of India’s strategy to become the superpower in IT, STPIs all over the country are likely to provide space and infrastructure, utilizing the policy predominance and positive communications with different levels of authorities. They have become the linkages between India’s huge talent pool and global software market and boomed the development of the IT sector.

     

    Working closely with respective State Government/local authorities, STPI has set-up following centers all over the country 13:

     

     

    STPIs not only work as a resource center to provide software companies general infrastructure facilities like ready to use built-up space, centralized computing facility and High Speed Data Communication (HSDC) facilities, but also maintains engineering resources to provide project management and consultancy services. The whole STPI has successfully become systematic which makes it easy to invest and operate companies with STPIs 14:

     

    STPI also provides an excellent network of schools and colleges, which produce brilliant young students. STPIs are usually built near universities, engineering colleges and management institutes, to fully exploit he large number of human resource.

     


    Now more than 6,000 businesses are registered under the STPI umbrella, with 36% growth by value in 2005-06 exports over the previous year. What’s more, more than 3500 units registered under STPI umbrella are exporting and the export figure from STP units represents more than 85% of the national software exports. 15

     

    Part II

    http://koarthur.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!A32BC317782C7939!1731.entry

    Part II

     

    Cluster Effect in some STPIs has taken place like technology clusters like Silicon Valley, Ireland and Tokyo. Its creation is out of adequate infrastructure and the connections and economies of scale generated, which attract IT-enabled outsourcing providers the most. For example, Bangalore city region, which is called “Silicon Valley of India”, is now home to more that 250 world class high tech companies such as IBM, Texas Instruments, Hewlett Packard, Intel, Motorola, Cisco Systems, Novell, Sony, etc., including India’s home grown IT giants like Wipro, Infosys, TCS etc. Because of Govt. investor friendly incentives and attitude, Bangalore city region has grown as the 4th largest technology cluster in the world. 16

     

    The cluster effect also leads to industry self-regulation and quality control because of the widely existed competitions among them. Many Indian software companies have been assessed at SEI CMM level 4 and 5, which are the first in the world to achieve this highest quality certification. Other companies may take certifications like TickIT and ISO 9000. As of December 2005, over 400 Indian companies had acquired quality certifications with 82 companies certified at SEI CMM Level 5 – higher than any other country in the world.17

     

    To conclude, STPI, linking the government, industry, and large talent pool, has become a successful development model and helped to expand the IT industry greatly. What’s more, the model has been replicated by many countries, in the hope of emulating the Indian success story

     

    IV. Problems and Challenges

     

    For the problem and challenge part, I do not want to talk any more on infrastructure because as mentioned above, it is too old a topic. In addition, India is on its way to solve this problem and the development in software industry will greatly facilitate infrastructure construction. Thus it is not time for us Chinese to snigger any more on its poor infrastructure and wonder how the Indian IT professionals can go so far, but to look at it from a much comprehensive perspective

     

    1.      Brain Drain

     

    Although every year India fosters nearly 400,000 engineers, a NASSCOM study found that only one in four of them are employable. The rest may be deficient in required technical skills, lack of fluency in English or absence of enough teamwork capability. The shortage is out of limited university and related educational investment and low linkages between schools and commerce. But what I want to clarify is that this is an extensive problem that not only India but also many other countries encounter. From my personal experience, comparing to the education received in NUS, what I received in China seems quite ideal and theoretical and the case is not rare that a graduate need to take a rather long time to become a qualified employee after graduation. However, in India, higher education is still available only to a tiny slice of India’s young. No more than 10 percent of Indians ages 18 to 25 are enrolled in college, according to official figures. What’s more, at the base level, the male and female adult literacy rate respectively is only 68% and 45% in 1999 18. Meanwhile, China, as a report on education in East and South Asia showed, alone accounts for 12 million of the 33 million students in tertiary education throughout the region, which is more than all of the countries of South and West Asia combined (11.3m). And the male and female adult literacy rate is 92% and 78% respectively.19Thus both basic and higher education are still big problems for India.

     

    But what seems more serious for the industry now is the brain drain. It seems quite surprised to me that four of out every ten Indian software developers are now working in the U.S. while several of India’s small software companies have been forced to shut down—not for lack of business but because they couldn’t find enough employees.20

     

    However, current brain drain at the same time means huge quantity of highly skilled experts and engineers overseas. If they can be attracted back home, they can help to upgrade domestic industries and markets with the training and experience gained, by transferring up-to-date technology and market information and their entrepreneurship.

    Thus it is quite a challenge, as well as an opportunity for India to create incentives for engineers and scientists to return to India, shifting the brain drain to brain circulation.

     

    2. Limited Domestic Demand

     

    India’s software industry is highly export oriented. In 04-05, export earnings accounted for 64 per cent of the total IT-ITES aggregate. And software and services exports (excluding hardware) are projected to grow at 32% in the current fiscal.21This, of course, is great triumph for the whole industry but we cannot simply ignore the role that domestic market plays.

     

    The export part of software industry is sometimes low-level design, coding and some types of testing services. However for domestic clients, the industry need to provide a wider range of services that usually spans the entire lifecycle of software development which makes up the upper part of value chain and will help the industry to move from lower to higher value services. Cultivating and exploiting the domestic market, in the long run, are beneficial to the industry and the whole country’s economy. But the current India domestic demand is still quite limited and underdeveloped, so while most of the companies are looking forward to share more on the global market, one of the IT industry’s tasks may be further exploit the huge potential domestic one.

     

    3. Challenges from Other Countries, Mainly China

     

    China exceeds India in many areas except software industry. In quantitative measures, we are keeping ahead in geographic area, population, GNP, FDI, and hold a larger share of the world’s exports. However in software industry, Indian software exports far exceed those of China.

     

    A recent McKinsey study of China's software outsourcing sector revealed that it will be many years before China poses a threat to its continental rival, India in this arena and it is widely believed that in IT service, India is far ahead China22. Comparing to India, software industry in China is still highly fragmented and what’s more, managers are inexperienced in M&A and do little to develop their employees and rarely use stock options, training programs or other incentives to build talent.

     

    However, as far as I can see, the development of China’s software industry is only a problem of time. China's spectacular economic success and its hardware manufacturing is the most powerful growth engine and solid backbone for the software industry, making it not only limited in the domain of outsourcing.

     

    The huge domestic demand provides good opportunities for us to start up and offers space for the industry to grow. The immensurable advantage in this part is that only Chinese programmers are the best-suited to deal with material written in Chinese and can better customize software for the heavily regulated but rapid growing Chinese market, including the software used by vast western companies in China.

     

    Although still small scale now, there is a trend for the U.S. companies to turn to China for IT services. In addition, the vast supply of technology talents, that is, the largest number of science and engineering graduates in the world, will help to keep low wages and cost.

     

    The government also plays an active role in stimulating China’s software industry.  Software parks have been already established all over the mainland and local authorities are also eager to provide anything they can to activate its development. What’s more, China's Ministry of Commerce are planning for a budget of at least 100 million yuan ($12.5 million) to set up 10 bases for service outsourcing over the coming three to five years, in the hope of attracting 100 MNCs to transfer some of their outsourcing businesses to China, of course, from India, as well as creating 1,000 large scale outsourcing enterprises.

     

    To conclude, although there is still a long way for the Chinese to go, it is obvious that India are confronting with China’s pursue and is expected to be faced with its fierce competition in outsourcing, maybe not now, but at most within five to ten years. However, whether view China as a competitor or a collaborator in exploiting new market, both in and outside China, may be what the India IT professionals need to consider.

     

    V. Conclusion

     

    In conclusion, during the past three decades, IT has exploded in India, making India the dominate role in global outsourcing and offshoring market. India Government’s promotive policy and its huge and widely acknowledged human resource in software developing, as well as the STPIs, are all positive factors in facilitating the industry.

     

    However, facing the problems of poor infrastructure facilities, brain drain, and limited domestic demand, as well as the competitions from other developing countries, it is still not time for the India government and firms to relax, based on the great achievements they have already gained, even for a moment. There is also quite a long way for them to go to further establish their predominance and move up the value chain.

     

    Back to the initial problem of whether the growth in the IT sector in India is sustainable, based on the analysis above, I should argue that it is sustainable and will be more competitive if they can successfully handle the problems using the current predominance and value gained.

     

    Finally, just a gentle reminder for the India software industry, given the rapid changes and development taking place in the Middle Kingdom, especially in IT industry, the awakening dragon is still following the elephant tightly, trying to capture it one day.

     

     

     

    References:

     

    1.         S.R. NidumoluS.E. GoodmanIn Computing in India: An Asian Elephant Learning to Dance. PP1-3

     

    2.          Indian IT Industry Fact Sheet: NASSCOM Analysis

     

    3.          Simon Commander, 2005

    What Explains the Growth of a Software Industry in Some Emerging Markets?

    In The Software Industry in Emerging Markets

    Cheltenham, UK ; Northhampton, MA, USA : E. Elgar Pub., 2005.

     

    4.Sand Hill-Persistent Report On Software Offshoring

              Sand Hill and Persistent Systems

     

     

    5.          Growing demand for offshoring services

    Retrieved on 26th Oct, 2006

    http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20060612/market05.shtml

     

    6.    The Software Industry in India: Opportunities and Challenges PP 4.

              Narayana Murthy

     

    7.          Special Website for National Task Force on Information Technology and Software Development

    Retrieved on 28th Oct, 2006 at http://it-taskforce.nic.in/index.html

     

    8.          IT-ACT 2000-Department of Information Technology

    Retrieved on 28th Oct, 2006 at http://www.mit.gov.in/it-bill.asp

     

    9.          Nagesh Kumar and K J Joseph

    In National Innovation Systems and India’s IT Capability: Are there any lessons for ASEAN Newcomers? PP 6-10

     

    10.      Rafiq Dossani, in Origins and Growth of the Software Industry in India. PP 2-5

    Asia-Pacific Research Center, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-6055

     

    11.      Managing India's HR Environment 2006

    Retrieved on 28th Oct, 2006 http://www.mercerhr.com/knowledgecenter/reportsummary.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1244935

     

    12.      STPI - FACILITATOR FOR SOFTWARE EXPORTS

    Retrieved on 29th Oct, 2006 at http://lucknow.stpi.in/STPIFACILITATOR.aspx

     

    13.      SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY PARKS OF INDIA.PP 1-5

    Retrieved on 29th Oct, 2006 at

    www.dehradun.stpi.in/STPIBrochure%203%5B1%5D.2.2005.doc

     

    14.      SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY PARKS OF INDIA

    (An Autonomous Society under Department of Information Technology,

    Government of India)Borjhar, Near Lokpriya Gopinath Bordoloi Inernational Airport, Guwahati – 781 015. PP 7

     

    15.       SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY PARKS OF INDIA.PP 4-7

    Retrieved on 29th Oct, 2006 at

    www.dehradun.stpi.in/STPIBrochure%203%5B1%5D.2.2005.doc

     

    16.      Deepak Kr. Sareen

    Innovation and IT in India (Bangalore Case Study) PP 15-17

    National Expert Researcher

     

    17.      Information Technology Annual Report, 05-06,

    Department of IT, India.

     

    18.       UNESCO Institute for Statistics

    SOUTH AND EAST ASIA regional report,PP23

     

     

    19.       India: At A Glance. United Nations Children's Fund.

    Retrieved on Oct 29th, 2006, at http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/india_statistics.html#5

     

    20.       Sanjay Kapoor, “Subcontinental DriftAsiaweek, Dec. 15, 2000.

     

    21.       Indian IT Industry – Fact Sheet, NASSCOM, 2006 PP 2-5

     

    22.       A McKinsey Study of China's Software Outsourcing Sector

    The report is not free of charge so I can only find certain parts of the report from editorials and news.

    ''China to take years to challenge Indian IT'' retrieved on Oct 29th, 2006 at http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1554.asp provides much information on this report

    November 15

    Work Publishing,Case Study,Part I

     

     

    CS1105

    COMPUTING AND SOCIETY

     

     

     Case Study

    Case 2

     

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    GIANT FOOD AND ELENSYS: LOOKING OUT FOR CUSTOMER OR GROSS PRIVACY INVASION?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Matric Number: NT060364E

    Name: Zhang Yao

    Tutorial Group: 6

     

     

    Question 1

    It has been estimated that in developed countries only 50% of patients who suffer from chronic diseases adhere to treatment recommendations [1]. They do this for many reasons, either out of economical problems or simply just out of forgetfulnesswhich in the long run, may be harmful to them .

     

    The original idea of prescription compliance program mainly focuses on educating patients about their medications and reminding patients to refill their prescriptions, which itself will obviously lead to therapeutic or economic benefits of patients. Therefore from this perspective, I feel strongly that this program will benefit a lot to patients.

     

    Further, better health of the public leads to reduced costs of health care system, which means avoiding social expenditure on such evitable wastes. Thus it will be favorable to the whole society.

     

    At the same time, for pharmacies and pharmaceutical companies, as well as retail pharmacies, better compliance means increased revenues. This is the most significant point for the industries to settle on the program and the reason why they are willing to pay the bill.

     

    However, if the program was run appropriately by non-commercial organizations which can be fully trusted by the public, e.g. government departments or Red Cross, all the benefits above may come forth without controversy. But this is not the true story.

     

    In reality, the compliance programs are financed by the pharmaceutical manufacturers and pharmacies.

     

    Thus one disadvantage is that it causes ethical problems. From the pharmaceutical manufacturers or the pharmacies’ perspective, only the most profitable medicines will be considered first to be included in the program. And the fact is that these companies have been used to make significant sales and marketing investments, typically focused on inducing doctors to write prescriptions for their profit.  Then when it comes to such programs, it seems quite ironic and of course, quite utilitarian that the true motivation of the companies does not lie in the benefits of patients, but the customers’ wallets. In this sense, it would be difficult for the public to consent to such motivation.

     

    What’s more, the most controversial point in such programs is actually privacy. “The right to privacy is as American as apple pie”. [2] The American people have the tradition to concern a lot on their privacies.

     

    And the fact is that pharmacies usually keep millions of data which can help identify specific points or activities in a patient’s therapy. In this perspective, patients trust them to possess all the data. However, a report found that, 60% of the public felt it was not acceptable for pharmacists to provide names and information of customers taking certain medications to pharmaceutical companies for direct marketing without first obtaining the individual's consent [3].

     

    However, the mechanism of the prescription compliance programs is based on the data maintained by pharmacies. In such programs, usually pharmacies do not have the capability and it is not economic for them to meet the large requirement of information systems. Thus Elensys, often refereed to as a database marketing and prescription tracking company, will receive millions of prescription data from pharmacies and then help manage the program for them. Once the pharmacy decides to run a compliance program, Elensys will send letters to pharmacy’s patients on behalf of the pharmacy, educating and reminding patients to refill their prescriptions.

     

    Then the significant disadvantage of such programs comes from people’s disbelief in the program holders and public concerns about the possibility that their health information might be revealed during the process of programs. This is why the public backlash was so fierce after the Washington Post’s report and why Giant stopped the co-operation with Elensys under great pressure only two days after the report.

     

    What’s more, the U.S state governments usually pay a lot of attention on the legislation of this field. As early as 1998,
    before the Giant-Elensys case happened, a lot of states had already had regulatory scheme on protections of health information. [4]
     And after the case, the name "Elensys" was routinely cited during Capitol Hill discussions about privacy. [5] On April 14, 2001, 
    U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued a Privacy Rule which meant that, the privacy of medical information
     in the United States was protected by law.
     
    Therefore, there existed risks that the program might have potential legal issues. This is the third disadvantage of such prescription 
    compliance programs.

     

    In fact, Giant and Elensys did try to do something to maximize its advantages and minimize its disadvantages, either separately or jointly.

     

    Giant viewed compliance programs as a beneficial to consumers and would increase sales for retailers and manufacturers. And we should notice the fact that pharmaceutical companies hoping to gain access to Giant's customers had approached them to do DTP marketing. Giant declined the offers out of the feelings of uncomfortable and concerns about negative reactions of customers. Another observation is that they had begun investigating the feasibility of such prescription compliance programs as early as 1997. These all showed that when Giant set foot in such programs, they were quite cautious.

     

    During the procedure of selecting a company to outsource the program among several others, Giant finally chose Elensys because it was the only independent company running such programs and would avoid associations with pharmaceutical manufacturers’ business. This also showed the carefulness of Giant on the program.

     

    Actually at that time Giant did realize that the program would raise privacy concerns but after discussion and observation of other companies, finally Giant decided the downside risks were manageable.

     

    The joint measures and the major concerns of the two sides were materialized in their contract. Not like other customers of Elensys, Giant chose to control the program tightly through negotiating its own agreements with pharmaceutical companies. This meant that no pharmaceutical company would be involved between Giant and Elensys and could keep the independence of programs out of the reach of certain medicine and certain pharmaceutical manufacturer. Then Giant alone could determine the communications between itself and its customers which would avoid offering controversial or high-profitable-but-just-so-so drugs.

     

    In addition, patients who were not comfortable with such programs could opt out at any time easily by dialing an 800-number. In addition, no mass mailing was to go to customers because separate letters were sent for different drugs and all mailings were sent by first class mail using window envelopes so there was no chance of the wrong letter getting into an envelope [6].

     

    At the database level, the database was split into two parts such that analysis could be done without knowing the patient’s identity. Further, data mining operations involved sophisticated analysis based on the unique medical and pharmaceutical knowledge of Elensys employees. Also, Elensys were prohibited from selling or providing any of the data acquired by law.[7]

     

    Considering all the things done by Giant and Elensys, I feel that they had made their efforts to do what they could to minimize the risk of revealing patients’ health information. We have to accept the fact that before the Washington Post reported the whole thing to the public, seldom complaints from customs were received by either Giant or Elensys. And the national “opt-out” rate for programs administered by Elensys was less than 3%. This at least meant that quite a few of the customers were not too concerned about the program.

     

    However, as far as I can see, one inappropriate job Giant did was that they started the co-operation with Elensys without fully investigations on the whole society’s responses. They had noticed the privacy concerns but made their final decision mainly based on the observation that many other pharmacies were already participating in similar programs and nothing happened until then.

     

     

    Question 2

     

    As analyzed above in Question 1, I feel it necessary to progress programs like direct-to-patient messaging to patients. Suppose that if I suffer from chronic diseases and need periodic medical treatment, I’d like to join such programs, providing certain personal information such as name, mailing address, email address, and only recent prescriptions, but of course, under certain conditions.

     

    I will specify the major considerations when weighing whether I would take part in such programs.

     

    The first thing needs to take into account is that the program should serve an important public health objective. The program should be designed mainly to meet the needs of patients for accurate information about our health conditions, prescription drugs and treatment options, but not explicitly or implicitly for promoting certain drugs or treatments. Thus individual’s health information can only be used or disclosed for individual health.

    Work Publishing,Case Study,Part II

     

    Secondly, the program should meet the required standards by HIPPA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) to control the flow of sensitive information. That is, the prescriptions and other medical record should be kept confidential under highly safeguarded conditions to protect patients’ privacy rights. Any other use of personal information must be under patients’ consent.

     

    Thirdly, appropriate civil penalties or punishments can be taken if covered entities intentionally or unintentionally disclose or transmit information under false pretenses. This is to further protect patients’ right of their privacy.

     

    Finally, the organization or companies can use the health information for commercial purposes, but only under the agreement of patients. And descriptions of how the individual can opt out of programs or activities must be provided. That is, if the program providers plan to use or disclose certain patient’s information for marketing or fundraising, they must obtain patient’s authorization.

     

    Such measures above are quite necessary because we should avoid the occurrences of incidences of people's medical records being publicized, or reported, which may ruin people’s life. During the research of the case study, I found great amount of cases of unauthorized use of medical information. All these cases are warning us the importance of our own health records, even when they are kept under noncommercial organizations.

     

    Equally important to notice are technological developments. The great improvements in efficiency of database systems, which greatly reduce the cost of possessing, purchasing, and transmitting data, can easily cause a considerable loss of privacy. I am quite surprised to find that, in 2000, the costs of fetching personal information were not even a great burden: $190 to uncover stock, bond, and mutual fund holdings; $450 to reveal a credit card number; between $80 and $200 to provide telephone records; $400 for access to 10 years' medical history, and between $10 and $20 to buy a divorce, death claim, or bankruptcy search [8]. Thus I do feel strongly that nowadays such stories are likely to happen outside Hollywood movies and it has become more and more important for us ordinary people to be aware of such severe facts.

     

    In conclusion, it is never too cautious when considering issues related to one’s health information. And we can never sufficiently trust the pharmacy company and the compliance program provider before examine critically on their actions.

     

    Question 3

    Part a)

    Going through carefully the websites of the three online pharmacies, I found that all of them put emphasis on and assure customers the security of their personal information and credit card or debit card information. They all indicate that the information are encrypted using SSL encryption technology to prevent them from being stolen or intercepted while being transferred before being sent over the Internet, and keep them safe from hackers.But when it comes to privacy issues, things differ. And from my observation, drugstore.com has a more comprehensive and more acceptable privacy policy.

     

    Drugstore.com contains privacy notice on its home page and Pharmacy Notice of Privacy Practices required by HIPPA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act) notice at its website [9]. It also has a VIPPS (Verified Internet Pharmacy Practice Sites™ Seal) certification and is licensed by the TRUSTe Privacy Program.

     

    Further, the privacy policy provided by drugstore.com [10] is the most concrete among the three online pharmacies. It specifies the kind of information collected from customers, information automatically collected during browsing the websites, and the possible situations of sharing information with third parties, as well as cookies and web beacons used.

     

    Actually, it specifies all the possible third parties with which they may share the information with and under what situation will they share the data with a certain third party. The list of its third parties includes GNC, Rite Aid, FSA purchases, brand manufacturers, agents, and situations like business transfer, compliance with law; protection of rights, and so on. It also clarifies that “other than as set out above, you will receive notice when information about you might go to third parties, and you will have an opportunity to choose not to share the information”[11].

     

    Equally important to notice is the source of drugs. Drugstore.com indicates that it “serves as the on-line pharmacy for Rite Aid Corporation, a chain pharmacy with approximately 3,800 store locations throughout the United States” because it believes that the relationship allows it to provide better services to customers.

     

    Durgstore.com ’s policy about prescriptions is also concrete. All the customers who are willing to fill their prescriptions online need to get their prescriptions to the online pharmacy through mail, or from their doctor, or transferred from another pharmacy. And they can choose to have the prescription mailed to them or available for pickup at a Rite Aid store convenient to them.

     

    As it declares in its website, TTSH Pharm+ezy “is managed by the Pharmacy Department of Tan Tock Seng Hospital and powered by Netcare Internet Services, both members of the National Healthcare Group”.[12]    Besides this, I can find no other information about their validity and certificate.

     

    Further, compared to drugstore.com’s privacy policy, the one provided by Tan Tock Seng Hospital (www.ttshpharmezy.nhg.com.sg) is quite simple and abstract. Besides the description of the use of customers’ information, it only abstractly declares some kinds of third parties with which they may share the information, such as “agents, representatives and trusted service providers and contractors”. For the purposes of sharing, it also vaguely defines it as “limited purposes of fulfilling customer orders; offering certain products and services in connection with our website; communicating with customers; providing customer service and completing credit card transactions”.[13] 

     

    All of these are not explicit enough for us to fully believe that customers’ personal health information will be handled properly by the company.

     

    The instance of Changi General Hospital is only slightly better than TTSH Pharm+ezy. Mypharmacy.com.sg has a label of CNSG (CommerceNet Singapore) and a label of ICRA( Internet Content Rating Association, an international non-profit organization working to develop a safer internet [14]). And it has been awarded the TrustSg seal as it “adheres to the Code of Practice set by COMMERCENET SINGAPORE LTD to promote good e-business practices” [15].

    The privacy policy provided includes the types of information collected, how they use the collection information, when and with whom they share your personal information, how customers can control the use of or change their personal information, etc.

    It is quite interesting to find that the part of privacy policy on what kind of third parties with which they may share the information and purposes, is surprisingly similar with TTSH Pharm+ezy with only some slight differences. Thus in my opinion Mypharmacy.com shares similar problems in privacy policy with TTSH Pharm+ezy.

     

    Part b)

    Actually, there are many benefits to purchase approved drugs online. Legitimate pharmacy sites on the Internet will provide convenient, private way to obtain medications under the increasing use of computer technology. And it may help reduce prescription errors when transmitting prescriptions from doctors to pharmacies [16].

    However, as the U.S FDA (Food and Drug Administration) warns, when it comes to buying medicine online, it is important to be very careful [17].

     

    Thus, for me, there are several things to be considered before deciding to buy from an online pharmacy.

    First I need to meet and talk with my doctor whether it is recommended and appropriate to do so. And I will only use medicine that has been prescribed by my doctor or another trusted professional who is licensed in Singapore. No new medicine recommended by the online pharmacy will be taken before the doctor’s consent.

    Secondly I have to make sure the online pharmacy is regulated under government, that is, it should have a license by Singapore government. Further, I need to look for its privacy and security policies to make sure that it meet the standard and my privacy will be protected to be safe and private.

    Thirdly, the source of drugs should be clarified. All the medicines provided must be approved by the government and should be proved to be labeled, stored, or shipped correctly.

    Finally, the online pharmacy could only provide drugs described in a customer’s valid prescription. No other medicine should be involved if it is not included in a customer’s valid prescription. And for a prescription to be valid, it must address a legitimate medical purpose, be written by a physician or other health care provider authorized to prescribe medicine, and be based on a legitimate doctor–patient relationship [18].

     

    In conclusion, to enjoy the benefits it brings in, if I can fully trust an online pharmacy, I will purchase from it under the considerations above.

     

    References

    1.          Sabaté, E. (ed.): "Adherence to Long term Therapies: Evidence for Action". World Health Organization

    2.          Robyn A. Meinhardt, RN, JD, Kimberly Applequist, JD, Paula C. Ohliger, JD "New Perils of Sharing or Selling Prescription Information"

    3.          Louis Harris & Associates [1993]

    4.          Calif. Regs. Code, Title 16, §1764.

    http://www.aclu.org/privacy/medical/15350prs20000502.html

    5.          Company That Violated Privacy Changes Name (5/2/2000)

    6.          Mary J. Culnan “GIANT FOOD AND ELENSYS: LOOKING OUT FOR CUSTOMERS OR GROSS PRIVACY INVASION? “

    7.          Mary J. Culnan APPENDIX 2. TRANSACTION DATA SUPPLIED TO ELENSYS  GIANT FOOD AND ELENSYS: LOOKING OUT FOR CUSTOMERS OR GROSS PRIVACY INVASION?”

    8.          "The New Enemy of Privacy," Challenge, Vol. 43, No. 2 (May/June 2000), pp 221

    9.          Pharmacy Notice of Privacy Practices

    https://www.drugstore.com/templates/HIPAA/info.asp?catid=16645&besecure=on&sra=1

    10.       What is the drugstore.com privacy policy? http://drugstore.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/drugstore.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=191

    11.       What is the drugstore.com privacy policy?

    http://drugstore.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/drugstore.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=191

    12.       About Us (Tan Tock Seng Hospital)

    http://www.ttshpharmezy.nhg.com.sg/scripts/ttsh_aboutus.asp

    13.       Private policy of Tan Tock Seng Hospital

    http://www.ttshpharmezy.nhg.com.sg/scripts/ttsh_privacy_policy.asp

    14.        ICRA  At A Glance

    http://www.icra.org/about/       

    15.       Verification Report of TrustSG

    https://www.trustsg.com/tsgapp/seal/VerifyGatewayServlet?ID=NTC-CNSG-2005-1164&URL=http%3A//www.mypharmacy.com.sg

    16.       Frequently Asked Questions of FDA

    http://www.fda.gov/oc/buyonline/faqs.html#faqs2

    17.       Buying Prescription Medicine Online: A Consumer Safety Guide

    http://www.fda.gov/buyonlineguide/

    18.       Michelle MeadowsUse Caution Buying Medical Products Online”,FDA Consumer magazine ,January-February 2005 Issue

    November 04

    Little India

    根据“考试前要通过疯玩来减负”的至理名言 (好像不是特别有名,似乎仅仅是杜撰,ok,never mind),决定今天前往little India转转
     
    昨天晚上提前查好地图和各个该去的地点的说明放在手机里,
    还特地把DC和CD都充好电
    结果,今天到了以后,发现手机没电了...
    严重失误,果然还是纸质的地图比较保险,这数字化,忍了
    不过,幸好还有一部最新款的Nokia 6280,Blueteeth瞬间传过去,总算有地图看
    但是6280没装Quick Word不能看word文档,所以景点说明是看不了了,恩,不是大问题
     
    出来Little India的MRT,就迅速可以感受到熙熙攘攘的氛围,
    行车道很窄,人行道人很多,也很拥挤
    放眼望去都是矮矮的的沿街房,不过倒是颇有些印度风格的,都叫小印度了嘛
     
    However modern and forward-thinking Indians in Singapore are today, they still retain the customs and traditions of their forefathers. Religion, family ties and food continue to be an integral part of their lives. Vibrant festivals and exuberant multi-generation family affairs with much-anticipated feasting are a fitting testimony to this.
     
     
     
    Serangoon Road - One of Singapore‘s oldest roads was built to cut across the island. It takes its name from a stork that lived on the muddy banks of the river the Marabou Stork, called rangon by the local Malay villagers. Today, the area is home to a busy stretch of shops.
     
     
     
    这条街上车辆川流不息,但是,在川流不息的车辆中过往的人也是。。川流不息
    刚开始还不好意思在这么多车中横穿马路,只是跟在印度大叔的后面,穿过去。
    到了后来,穿马路已经成了家常便饭了,哈,不大像印象里的新加坡. 
    Serangoon Road至今仍然是一套很重要的街道,它贯穿了little India几乎所有的神庙,教堂,清真寺,和Mustafa (relate to Mustafa later)
     
     
    Little India是早期(Raffles时代)来新的印度人聚居的地方,正如China Town是当时中国人聚居的地方一般。
    在当时属于类贫民区,房屋拥挤破旧不堪,街道没有规划
    与英国殖民者所居住的City Hall附近一带当然天差地别
    时至今日,Little India的建筑布局仍然有些杂乱无章,不具有太强的规划性(至少在我看来) 
    为什么很生气地这样批评它呢,因为今天一天里面地图一点用都没派上,I was totally lost at any where any time!
    走了一天很少能在地图上定位到自己在哪里,更不用说在找对方向,向目的地进发了〉。。
    A big time failure...sigh...
     
    不过运气还好的是,之前想去的几个地方,总算是都去到了:
    Sri Veeramakaliamman Temple
    Masjid Abdul Gafoor
    Mustafa
     
     
     
    到达Sri Veeramakaliammain Temple纯属意外,按照我的理解顺着地图往别的地方走的时候,突然间它出现了,到现在仍然不明白为什么我往别的地方走,却走到了这里...
    到的时候正好三点,而神庙将于每天四点以后开启
    所以只好暂时离去,等到晚上再转回来
     
     
     

    This temple was built as early as 1855 and newer extensions were added in 1908. Dedicated to Kali, the Goddess of Power and ferocious incarnation of Lord Siva’s wife, this Hindu temple is believed to be the first one of its kind in Singapore to venerate her.

    Devotees entering the temple ring the many bells on its door, hoping to have their requests granted. Inside, the ceiling is rimmed with statues of Hindu gods. And of course, at this temples main shrine is a jet black statue of Kali, flanked by her sons Ganesha and Murugan. The many-armed Kali carries many weapons too. Namely, weapons of destruction. Ganesha, the elephant god, is the Remover of Obstacles, while Murugan, often depicted riding a peacock, has his birthday marked by the festival of Thaipusam. At other shrines, elephants flank the staircase, while the steps are covered by intricately-worked silver.

     
     
     
     
    虽然暂时不能进入,但是沿着它的院墙走了一周,还是惊奇的发现即便是在神庙的外墙上的雕刻,竟也是如此精美
    更不用说它内部的大量的多得惊人的歌颂女神的雕塑了
     
    这座辉煌的庙宇由孟加拉工人于1881年所建,是为祭拜湿婆大神的妻子卡里女神而建的。卡里女神被尊为力量女神,“维拉马卡里拉曼”意为“卡里勇气”
    传说中在屠妖节(...)期间这里会热闹非凡,有大型的祭祀庆典和节日游行
     
     
     
     
     
    走出来之后,继续稀里糊涂前进,寻找 Masjid Abdul Gafoor
    At the entrance of this mosque is a sundial. The only one in the Islamic world, its design of a sunburst with 25 rays decorated with Arabic calligraphy denotes the names of 25 chosen Prophets. Completed in 1907, the masjid or mosque boasts a unique blend of Moorish-Islamic and South Indian architectural styles.
     
     
     
    回教堂兴建于1910年。庙堂的主要入口处装着一个精制的三角墙,其中间带有一个日规。 三角墙上的旭日图案以阿拉伯文书法点缀,是回教界中独一无二的珍品。
     
    上次去过了Sultan Mosque,与那位书店的印度穆斯林老板谈了许久之后对伊斯兰教产生了很多兴趣。最近也在读一本关于先知Muhammad的传记。
     
    我轻轻脱掉鞋子,走入清真寺。
    本来想进入主殿,与安拉近距离对话,最终仍然只是徘徊在正殿门外
    算了,毕竟自己不是穆斯林,能够站在门口与真主说几句话就好了,不奢求什么
    正殿里面仍旧有很多组小穆斯林围坐在一个老师旁边,应该是在研习Quran或者在讲习知识吧
    正如那位印度穆斯林说的,伊斯兰教崇尚知识:
    The angel said to him(Muhammad),"Read!"
     
     
     
    之后前往按照地图,还有几个Church和Buddist Temple要去,无奈走了很多路,怎么着也找不到自己到底在地图上哪个位置 
    最后还是直奔Mustafa
     

    Housed in a more modern building, it’s truly a shopper’s paradise, with floor upon floor of endless merchandise, very reasonably priced and opened 24 hours! The selection is mind-boggling. You’ll definitely find whatever you need here.

     
     
    其实对Mustafa的印象来源于那门SSA新加坡与印度关系的课程。
    从第一节lecture开始,Dr.Faizal和班上的印度学生们就提到了Mustafa,搞得我一头雾水
    过了很久才明白,原来Mustafa是印度人做生意和喜欢逛的很大的一个shopping center。
    此次来了也算是了了很大一个心愿
    其内部也算得上是琳琅满目了,东西也相对来说比其他地方便宜很多
    有好多东西卖的,大部分是印度风格的或者印度人喜欢的
    我也趁机买了些小东西回来
    但是总体感觉还是乱乱的,跟国内和这里习惯了的现代化的购物中心差距甚远
    风格和购物方式跟国内十年前的shopping center倒是挺像的
    恩,不过倒是确实很有印度的感觉,哈哈
     
     
    从Mustafa逛了好大的一圈出来,肚子已经饿得不行了,找地方吃饭重要
    路上顺手买了泰国香椰喝,好贵的,跟在泰国的时候卖得比起来,呵
     
    先去到四点钟才开门的Sri Veeramakaliammain Temple
    脱掉鞋子,进入膜拜(如果算的话,哈)
    这印度人说起来生活习惯确实有些懒散,神庙里也是
    因为要脱鞋光脚走,走了一圈出来,满脚上哪个脏啊...
    跟清真寺干净的地毯没法比的,,,
    不过真是后悔屠妖节的后没来,那不过是前几天的事情,忍了
     
     
    晚饭重要
    去吃了个印度饭,也不知道吃的这个叫什么名字
    反正点了一堆肉啊,炸虾啊,火腿啊,豆腐啊,鱼饼(新加坡化严重)之类的,递给老板,
    然后一会儿他就送上来一大盘混在一起也不知道怎么做过的东西和咖喱,及某种酱
    然后开动,大吃
    感觉其实还好啦
    在新加坡能吃到这个感觉还是蛮好的
    不过,如果放到中国去,估计打死我也不吃
    我天朝上国,乃上万年烹饪历史,广阔地理,万千人民
    吃起东西来那是绝对不含糊的
     
    恩,撤了,
    以后有机会再去小印度转转,吃吃北印度风味的饭菜
    有钱的话就去买金银首饰和鲜花,恩,肯定不错的
     
    准备两个presentation和下周六的practical examination先